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welcome back to the channel everyone

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apologies there I just had a slight

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technical issue which we we fixed and so

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here we are good to see everyone thank

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you for being here great to see so many

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people in the live chat uh before I

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bring on my guests just a few things

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first of all Katie Howland was unable to

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join me for this interview today uh it's

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just the way it goes where the time zone

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differences and things like that but she

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we've got a lot coming up

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um it's been a busy week or two with

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everything that's going on I haven't

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recording an interview with Chris Leto

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tomorrow morning which I'll probably

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release tomorrow night or maybe Saturday

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um yeah it's there's been so much we

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anything as always guys please keep the

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this interview with red panda koala

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and yeah let's get to it so yeah

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I'm really looking forward to this

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conversation I'm a big fan of my guests

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work so please welcome red panda koala

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red how's it going great exciting couple

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days so we were saying about backstage

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um so yeah crazy crazy but for now we're

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here to talk about you and I can't wait

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to to dig deep into sort of your history

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background the your your work your

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documentaries so I suppose the first

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so yeah I'm like a a light Bloomer

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then yeah just reading and reading and

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reading and then trying to piece it all

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high and so well produced it just looks

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thank you for that and um to anyone

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did you have any kind of background in

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like interviewing or no nothing yeah so

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angle itself is just so interesting

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like psychic phenomena or whatever so I

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pull it off though man you know I think

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you did it did it justice in all of your

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so much information what your thoughts

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deep deep dive but obviously like I'm

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names involved I would say so and then

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even going to today what you hear some

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people saying and like referencing and

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um not this ndaa but the previous one

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right they they harpened in on the July

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47 date I believe so it comes up a lot

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you even have it going to the 90s where

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even to today there's still this gray

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of like what's going on here and yeah

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even with today today you have the krato

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supposed to be the Army crowded with

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ttsa that Tom Delong Harkins on that

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hasn't been dropped yet for a reason

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um and that piece allegedly came from

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out as well so I don't know it keeps on

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coming up so I kind of lean towards I

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lean towards yes as far as specifics uh

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General movements around that time and

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like people like flying around uh

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unplanned trips you know so those I

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think are pretty uh interesting aspects

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what do you think actually curious I

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mean I I I'm like you I think something

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happened but the more I've tried to look

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into Roswell the muddier it gets the

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harder it gets you know there's so many

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nuances and different angles and

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I think there's definitely a lot of

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misinformation or disinformation thrown

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in there over the years that it just

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becomes one of them cases where I I find

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it almost impossible to come to a

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definitive conclusion but

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boy yeah it's an interesting case

292
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absolutely yeah this is all happening

293
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now because like uh

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or it's probably why it's happening now

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but imagine if this would have happened

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like 20 years ago you know like so many

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of those people are gone like it's kind

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of almost lost to history at this point

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absolutely man but obviously after

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Roswell it leads into Project Blue Book

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which leads into the Robinson panel and

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there's clear obfuscation coming from

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the Air Force especially I mean

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why do you think they chose to go down

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that route and and just not talk or be

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honest with the public why would they

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not just want to be truthful what what

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do you think on that

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um I do kind of like uh Tom delong's

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assessment of the situation where he's

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like they didn't really know what this

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was

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and it could be a weapon it could be

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this it could be that like in terms of

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like understanding their thought process

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not like uh saying that that was the

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right thing to do

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um and then something I also think about

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a lot too is like and sort of I sort of

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asked people when they get mad it's like

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what would the the secret or the truth

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have to be for you to condone the

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cover-up

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uh which I personally think has included

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like murdering people in the past and

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stuff like that

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um I think a lot of us are always like

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oh the people can handle the truth but I

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feel like none of us really know what it

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is

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so I think it's that's an important just

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kind of like measure for us all to have

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like what would it have to be for you to

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say like actually you know I don't think

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people could handle this so

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um

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yeah who knows yeah I mean it's funny

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because it all seems to be centered

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around the beginning of this

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subjects and the the lies and everything

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being hidden from the 40s and 50s but

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that was also the time when the you know

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we had the the nuclear age with the the

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atomic age and so you know a lot of

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people make this connection to UFOs and

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nukes you've obviously covered it really

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well so

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again what are your thoughts on that and

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do you think there's definitely a

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connection there yes there's one second

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I'm live

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okay can you hear me yeah yeah loudly

353
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clear man oh did you hear that too uh

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um so about the nuclear connection no

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that's actually really uh interesting

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and like my current video so ties into

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that way more than I originally thought

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so

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like this current video is almost like

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the final and the trilogy of like what

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the previous two were you know because

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you could watch the previous two like in

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chronological order yeah um so for two

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ago the first in that trilogy it was

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like the project sign Project Blue Book

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everything right and then it goes into

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like Project Blue Book the propaganda

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stuff and then this next one is like the

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end of Project Blue Book and um how did

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the scientific Community get like

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endorsed or get on board with this topic

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and so a big part of that is Edward

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Condon right and uh some of the research

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I've been doing lately is it I think

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personally that uh Edward Conde might

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have even been involved with UFOs going

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back like to that time period because he

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had worked out he helped found Los

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Alamos lab he worked under Oppenheimer

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during the Manhattan Project and if you

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look at the recent ndaa they um

382
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specify that 1945 date which people are

383
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all saying relates to Trinity and stuff

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like that which was the the nuclear test

385
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site like right by Los Alamos so

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um and then you have that tie into a lot

387
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of those scientists were the ones that

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were arguing for

389
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um the atomic energy act which created

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the atomic energy commission which

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turned into the department of energy

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which you know everyone always says and

393
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comes up all the time in like UFO lore

394
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so yeah it just seemed like that nuclear

395
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connection is really big but you have

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Randall shim is pretty uh like a case

397
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with like a lot of like supporting

398
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evidence of like John McCain got those

399
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people Healthcare and stuff like that so

400
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there seem to be this big connection and

401
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um

402
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they're flying over like a lot of the

403
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Manhattan Project sites uh other than

404
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Los Alamos I think about like Oak Ridge

405
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and the Hanford site so

406
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I think there's definitely definitely a

407
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connection there

408
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do you think there's a connection as

409
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well between what happened in 1952 the

410
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Washington DC flyover

411
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you know could it be that you know I

412
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think that was the year that we had the

413
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hydrogen bomb as well do you think that

414
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was some kind of potential yeah I think

415
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so I think I mean I kind of lean there

416
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you know because like they the activity

417
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did pick up when we were starting to

418
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develop the like the first uh bombs but

419
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and then yeah 1952 is when we dropped

420
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the first Hydrogen Bomb so I mean makes

421
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sense to me but

422
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who knows right that's a whole other

423
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thing it's like who really knows what

424
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even is behind the phenomenon what their

425
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intentions are their thoughts are like

426
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it's just it's crazy to like I feel like

427
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sometimes we even get lost like yeah

428
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there's actually something you know what

429
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I mean it's like it just seems so crazy

430
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you forget that like all the different

431
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aspects of it yeah absolutely I mean a

432
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lot of people make the assumption that

433
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these beings are or whatever they

434
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potentially are would be here to protect

435
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us because we're dicing with such you

436
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know deadly weapons but

437
00:15:00,050 --> 00:14:58,079
could it be that simple or do you think

438
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there could be some malevolence in there

439
00:15:05,569 --> 00:15:02,760
as well I mean what do you think

440
00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:05,579
well yeah like um so I did a video

441
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series on colors and that that's a I

442
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think one I think it's like the best

443
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documented case look like generally like

444
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not even just like any qualifiers but

445
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then also like that case is kind of a

446
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malevolent case where it's like over

447
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like two month three month period you

448
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,440
have multiple UFOs reported by like

449
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hundreds of people at every uh facet of

450
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life you have police officers

451
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um politicians uh Mayors and stuff like

452
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that and yeah these UFOs were like

453
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intentionally

454
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um or

455
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I don't know if I could say

456
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intentionally right they were hurting

457
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people though uh the people were getting

458
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radiation Burns

459
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um some people were like put into like

460
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cardiac arrest and some people are like

461
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uh had their blood kind of like taken

462
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and

463
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so it's like when you look at something

464
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like that uh it's it is kind of hard to

465
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be like oh they're all nice you know

466
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um even if it wasn't intentional maybe

467
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it was just a byproduct but um I think I

468
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think that's something we have to keep

469
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in mind you know what I mean like we

470
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want the truth right like so like even

471
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if it is bad even if it is like

472
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Abduction stuff you know and then uh

473
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something I think about a lot too though

474
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is like um a lot of us like eat meat you

475
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know I do too and like there are a lot

476
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of sentient animals you know like

477
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so it's it's a circle of life thing I

478
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guess kind of like you know like can we

479
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really complain about abductions when

480
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the things we do to other animals for

481
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like you know

482
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yeah it's a good point that's a really

483
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good point you know we we always just

484
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assume that we're top of the food chain

485
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and we've heard a lot of people

486
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especially Louis Alexander talk about it

487
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you know what if we're not you know it

488
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would change a lot of things the way we

489
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look at ourselves and the way we look at

490
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other species so yeah I mean it's a

491
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really good point

492
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um and one other thing with nuclear

493
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weapons is what are you what are your

494
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thoughts on the fact people have talked

495
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about the potentially using nukes for

496
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um

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I mean that I mean I feel like right

498
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like if uh you were whatever in

499
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intelligence

500
00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:01,139
agencies behind like researching this I

501
00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:03,300
think that led make sense like um

502
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like you see them all the time around

503
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,660
this thing that you have like let's put

504
00:17:10,669 --> 00:17:08,400
it this thing that we have there to try

505
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and read it to study kind of like how we

506
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do with like a lot of other animals so I

507
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:13,140
guess that would make sense I hear

508
00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:15,120
people talk about what starfish prime a

509
00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:18,419
lot yeah I guess that was kind of um

510
00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:22,020
a new UFO story thing

511
00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:23,400
um yeah I don't really know for sure

512
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,839
though like if they've done it hopefully

513
00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:26,160
like all this stuff comes out eventually

514
00:17:29,930 --> 00:17:28,260
but um we'll see we'll see how they

515
00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:29,940
continue to roll this out

516
00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:31,820
yeah absolutely

517
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these past few days have been kind of

518
00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:36,120
surreal it's like do you ever the all

519
00:17:39,169 --> 00:17:37,500
the different statements we're hearing

520
00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:39,179
and stuff it's like

521
00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:40,980
seeing it play out in real time it's

522
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,360
pretty wild

523
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it is and like I said earlier it's just

524
00:17:48,169 --> 00:17:45,720
we've not seen this kind of media

525
00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:48,179
coverage well probably possibly ever

526
00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:51,660
when it comes to the UFO subject and

527
00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:55,020
it seems to get more confusing the

528
00:17:59,870 --> 00:17:57,299
further we go day by day you know with

529
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no one making clear statements

530
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,740
just acting like they don't know

531
00:18:04,909 --> 00:18:03,360
anything and that throws to me the

532
00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:04,919
thought that they have such Advanced

533
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:07,260
sensor systems both on the ground you

534
00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:10,200
know in space on these these jets that

535
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,820
are shooting these things down that

536
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surely there's got to be some gun camera

537
00:18:18,169 --> 00:18:15,299
footage or something somewhere wouldn't

538
00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:18,179
you think yeah I mean the the Tic Tac

539
00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:20,520
footage always existed before 2017 you

540
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,480
know what I mean so I'm sure there's

541
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,520
more of that but there's a Infamous 20

542
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,400
minute video we're all waiting for

543
00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:28,799
um yeah I think they have more and even

544
00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,299
uh with Biden I've been saying this a

545
00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:32,340
lot too Biden has connections to this

546
00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:34,260
stuff going way back here when his

547
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family died on a like super tragically

548
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when he first became a senator in the

549
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70s his mentor in the Senate was a

550
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person named Claiborne Pell and that

551
00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:44,640
Senator was uh tied up with ions

552
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:46,500
Institute of nomadic science which Edgar

553
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,440
Mitchell founded and he um that Senator

554
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,880
was also a senator that was getting

555
00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:52,320
funding for the remote viewing program

556
00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:53,940
like through the years and helped

557
00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:56,280
declassify so I think Biden knows more

558
00:18:59,870 --> 00:18:57,960
than he lets on it's weird like every

559
00:19:02,450 --> 00:18:59,880
president post Truman has some weird

560
00:19:03,950 --> 00:19:02,460
little tie into UFOs like that you

561
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:03,960
wouldn't expect like

562
00:19:07,789 --> 00:19:05,940
yeah absolutely man we'll get into a

563
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,799
couple of those in a little bit but you

564
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:09,600
mentioned Edgar Mitchell there and again

565
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,400
you've one of your films really focuses

566
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,919
on on his importance to the UFO subject

567
00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:15,120
so

568
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:16,740
can you tell us a little bit about his

569
00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:18,360
story and why you felt it was important

570
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,520
to highlight him specifically out of

571
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,320
sort of the astronauts yeah yeah Edgar

572
00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:24,960
Mitchell he's uh yeah he's a one of the

573
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:26,280
Apollo Astronauts and he was a big

574
00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:27,900
disclosure advocate for his entire life

575
00:19:32,029 --> 00:19:29,880
and his was really fun to make and

576
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,039
interesting to me um I said he's like

577
00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:34,799
the Forrest Gump of UFOs where like

578
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:36,900
every little chapter of his life there's

579
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:39,600
some like little UFO connection for

580
00:19:44,029 --> 00:19:41,700
example like he grew up around Roswell

581
00:19:46,130 --> 00:19:44,039
and he was like a teenager when like

582
00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:46,140
that thing broke up broke out and he and

583
00:19:48,590 --> 00:19:47,160
his friend were gonna like ride their

584
00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:48,600
bikes over to go check it out before

585
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:51,059
they said that it was a weather balloon

586
00:19:54,409 --> 00:19:51,720
um

587
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:54,419
and then what else uh he was in the

588
00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:56,460
Korean War and he he didn't see anybody

589
00:19:59,930 --> 00:19:58,740
he'd heard of some like reports of UFOs

590
00:20:02,029 --> 00:19:59,940
and stuff like that and I would have

591
00:20:03,529 --> 00:20:02,039
been doing like the blue book era and

592
00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:03,539
then

593
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:05,340
um oh yeah another another reason why

594
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,720
he's very interesting I think is because

595
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,600
he kind of ties in the the UFO

596
00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:11,760
um psychic studying I guess you would

597
00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:14,340
call it uh overlap where he was like

598
00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:16,020
into UFOs and at the same time he was

599
00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:19,860
also like helping connect people uh like

600
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:23,100
uh help HUD off and um Andrea piharic

601
00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:24,600
and like that whole scene of like the

602
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,700
SRI remote viewing program he was

603
00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:28,080
helpful with that and he would because

604
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:29,820
he was an astronaut right like he'd get

605
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,500
in a lot of places a lot of doors would

606
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,360
open for him so he was constantly like

607
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,280
advocating for those programs and stuff

608
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:37,919
like that and for disclosure

609
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,780
um so yeah it's pretty uh

610
00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:41,760
it's pretty sad actually that he acted

611
00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:42,780
like he didn't get to see at least the

612
00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:44,760
2017 thing but I did think it was cool

613
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:46,020
and I'm actually probably going to redo

614
00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:47,340
that video because some of the audio and

615
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:48,660
that's really bad I thought it was cool

616
00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:51,000
that they mentioned uh Wilson Davis memo

617
00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:52,500
and the Congressional hearing even if it

618
00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:53,820
I don't know I really don't even know

619
00:20:57,409 --> 00:20:55,080
what to make of that but just knowing

620
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,419
that came from his like estate like he's

621
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,039
still kind of a part of it you know but

622
00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:01,200
he's just a super uh interesting dude

623
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:03,240
his life is just crazy it's like it

624
00:21:07,310 --> 00:21:05,160
doesn't even seem real sometimes yeah

625
00:21:09,169 --> 00:21:07,320
absolutely man and it makes you think

626
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:09,179
you know what did he actually know or

627
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,919
what was he told that maybe he never

628
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:12,780
really got to to speak about publicly

629
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,260
before he sadly passed away yeah and you

630
00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:17,760
mentioned that Wilson Davis and coming

631
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,380
from his estate and I mean that's

632
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,120
another story that

633
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:23,940
you know he keeps evolving slowly but

634
00:21:27,950 --> 00:21:27,299
surely but it is still very confusing so

635
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:27,960
um

636
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,360
I mean I was going to say what's your

637
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:32,400
take on it but I I guess you pretty much

638
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:34,020
just said then you don't really know but

639
00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:36,360
in the ground in the grander or bigger

640
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,100
picture of Crash retrievals is that

641
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,320
something that you have come across in

642
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:42,960
your research and if you do what do you

643
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:44,700
think that the US government or private

644
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:47,220
contractors have UFO materials or even a

645
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:48,600
craft

646
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:50,820
um so like I couldn't really like Point

647
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:52,500
anything specific but maybe just from

648
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,900
like a general sense I would say yeah it

649
00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:56,400
seems like they went to Lockheed Martin

650
00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:57,960
at some point

651
00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:58,860
um

652
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:01,140
I think there's one memo where it like

653
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,500
uh uh what's it like 46 of a second or

654
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:05,520
something like that there's this one

655
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,780
memo where it's like it kind of

656
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:09,059
implicates that like blue look was just

657
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:10,260
like the public-facing thing but like

658
00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:11,700
whenever something really went down like

659
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,860
it was this group that would go and get

660
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:15,179
them and that would probably be an

661
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:17,220
interesting um place for like people

662
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:18,900
with like Congressional subpoena power

663
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:20,280
or something to look

664
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:21,000
um

665
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:22,380
and then yeah like the whole like

666
00:22:28,730 --> 00:22:25,320
Lockheed uh Patel

667
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:28,740
um angle the department of energy stuff

668
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:30,360
um I I don't know I just kind of leaned

669
00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,980
gut feeling yes we have something you

670
00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:33,419
know what I mean

671
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:35,340
um I don't know what do you what's your

672
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:36,659
take on that

673
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:39,000
yeah I mean I suppose if I had to make a

674
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,799
sort of say something on it I think

675
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:42,419
there's probably the possibility that we

676
00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:45,720
do have something uh I if there is a

677
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:47,940
back engineering program I doubt that

678
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:50,100
it's been cracked from conversations

679
00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,900
I've had with people and research I've

680
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:53,580
done you know we hear this story about

681
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,380
them bringing out this technology every

682
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,360
10 years to have another go and see if

683
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:59,640
our Technologies caught up enough to be

684
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,500
able to sort of make some progress with

685
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:03,480
it I think that's possibly more likely

686
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,820
but again I mean we just don't know do

687
00:23:09,049 --> 00:23:07,500
we it's that's the problem with the

688
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,059
majority of this subject is we don't

689
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,700
know so it is a lot of speculating

690
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,200
what does make me interested though is

691
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:15,600
like all the the politicians speaking on

692
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,580
it because it's like uh there's so much

693
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,960
money that goes into politics you know

694
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:21,120
what I mean like uh pulling the strings

695
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:22,679
and stuff like that

696
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:23,880
um

697
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,820
like I don't think uh like somebody's

698
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:28,320
telling them it's advantageous to talk

699
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,580
about it or like it's okay it's

700
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:32,159
acceptable like if um

701
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,780
if there I feel like if there was truly

702
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,760
truly nothing to it like by this point

703
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,679
like it kind of all would have stopped

704
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,880
we wouldn't be having more and more

705
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,559
politicians speaking on it kind of uh

706
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,179
situation

707
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,940
um so we'll see and like yeah the the

708
00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:47,039
Wilson Davis memo was mentioned at the

709
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:48,179
the Congressional hearing ride so

710
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:51,720
hopefully whoever uh got that info to uh

711
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:54,120
who is that Gallagher I think right yeah

712
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,380
I think it was Gallagher and I think

713
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,940
Gary Nolan was the one that brought it

714
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,799
to his attention cool so I'm hoping like

715
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,240
hopefully they know more than we do and

716
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:03,059
let's like this assure thing there yeah

717
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:04,620
absolutely man

718
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,780
um another aspect I think that's been an

719
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,840
issue within the government and possibly

720
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,220
the military as well is religious

721
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,960
pushback is that something that you've

722
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:14,760
come across

723
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:16,679
um yeah like to it to a degree yeah

724
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,419
definitely and um

725
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,419
yeah like uh the Collins Elite

726
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:23,700
um thread I guess that you see coming up

727
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:25,559
all the time and uh

728
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:29,100
uh one of my favorite like UFO uh

729
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:31,080
stories right is that Ray Boucher story

730
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,900
where he says like those guys contacted

731
00:24:37,789 --> 00:24:35,940
him and stuff like that um

732
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:37,799
there's a there's a weird angle to it

733
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,820
and there is some stuff where it's like

734
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,740
uh even Project Blue Book did some like

735
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:42,240
channeling stuff

736
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,220
where it's like that almost kind of

737
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,679
seems like a religious angle on it you

738
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:47,760
know what I mean even though you're

739
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,220
trying to be scientific with it like so

740
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:52,020
it does make sense and I do kind of

741
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,220
worry like

742
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,500
just going forward like all of us like

743
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:57,360
you me like everyone in our community

744
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,100
how we're gonna be

745
00:25:01,730 --> 00:25:00,000
um

746
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:01,740
like perceived you know like I'm sure

747
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:03,419
you saw like as this little stuff was

748
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:04,740
broken down it's like there's the

749
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,100
Project Blue being like

750
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:09,840
everywhere there's the this is all

751
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,880
demons angles so I'm I'm just worried

752
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:13,200
that like our community is going to get

753
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:15,000
caught up in like what's gonna happen

754
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,380
but like yeah we're gonna caught up in

755
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:19,679
that and stuff like that so uh that I do

756
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:21,539
see the religious pushback

757
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:22,919
and everyone's kind of viewing it

758
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,940
through their own religious lens like

759
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,500
I'm sure

760
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,600
um a lot of the like um Muslim people

761
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:28,799
I've talked about this view through like

762
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:30,360
the Gin lens which I think is a pretty

763
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:32,100
solid lens

764
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,960
um and then but you do see a lot of like

765
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:36,120
um Christian podcasts have like that

766
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:38,279
speak on this uh well you're not saying

767
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,020
all of them but we'll say like kind of

768
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,179
view it through a demonic lens which is

769
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,400
you know it's kind of uh interesting

770
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:46,200
it's going to be wild as we uncover

771
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,700
what's actually going on

772
00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:50,279
yeah absolutely man I mean following

773
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,779
Project Blue Book and all that kind of

774
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,880
stuff going into sort of the 70s and 80s

775
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:55,500
it feels like the subject took a bit of

776
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,500
a a quiet period and you know yes there

777
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,820
could potentially have been some secret

778
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,880
groups you know mj-12 type things

779
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,100
although you know I think with mj12

780
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,480
obviously that's a very controversial

781
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:08,640
thing so

782
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,260
what do you think

783
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:12,480
how do you think that

784
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:14,039
I don't really know how to phrase it

785
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,240
properly do you think mj-12 was based

786
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,520
in some kind of reality that there were

787
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:22,320
possibly some groups looking into this

788
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:24,360
that we just haven't heard of

789
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,840
yeah I think I like uh that's another

790
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,860
one it's like eventually I'll make a

791
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:30,419
video on it but everything I've read

792
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,860
uh I do think there's definitely

793
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,659
something like that

794
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,760
and even a lot of the names on that I

795
00:26:39,289 --> 00:26:37,679
would probably agree with like finnavar

796
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,299
Bush and whatnot yeah there's an

797
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:41,640
interesting thing that uh I learned

798
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:42,779
recently that I'm pretty sure it's true

799
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:44,100
hopefully if not someone in the comments

800
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:45,779
can correct me

801
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,740
um

802
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,659
I think it was uh there was a memo by

803
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,640
Wilbert Smith that had been released

804
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,080
like Through official channels that

805
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:54,779
named benavar Bush as like the head of

806
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:56,120
this um

807
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,980
UFO secret group or whatever and it was

808
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:01,200
after that that the mj-12 documents were

809
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,700
like released so it was like almost

810
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:04,559
potentially might have been in response

811
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,059
to those being out to just kind of Muddy

812
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,640
the waters there yeah um but I'm pretty

813
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:11,100
sure that that uh uh the Wilbert Smith

814
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,740
who ran project magnet the Canadian

815
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,960
small little UFO study I'm pretty sure

816
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,580
that's like an official document I think

817
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:18,720
people do argue about whether or not

818
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,380
Wilbert Smith is legitimate but so we do

819
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,940
have like van ever Bush being named on a

820
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,799
UFO document which I do find interesting

821
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:28,140
and you have what Menzel was in that

822
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:30,779
document who I pretty sure like he was a

823
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,520
blue book debunker so I'm and he was

824
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,080
kind of like a big he was like a jail

825
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,240
and heinek a big scientific public face

826
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:39,419
of like debunking this subject so a lot

827
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:42,360
of those names uh James Forrestal too I

828
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,320
would imagine would have been on

829
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:45,360
whatever whoever they contacted after

830
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,120
Roswell you know what I mean or once

831
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,340
they realized what was going on so I do

832
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,140
think there is something there

833
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:54,480
yeah I know I agree I think

834
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:56,279
you kind of nailed it there that these

835
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,440
big names must well they were connected

836
00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:00,419
in some way but whether they were as

837
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,520
connected as forming this full group of

838
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:04,559
people not so sure there but definitely

839
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:06,740
think there was some some Connection in

840
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,419
involved so well let's bring it back up

841
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,220
to sort of more recent times and talk

842
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,960
about you know when it all kind of

843
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,120
changed for the the subject and became a

844
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:17,279
bit more mainstream in on the 17th of

845
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:20,520
December 2017 do you remember that day

846
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,159
was that something you you were like oh

847
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,159
my goodness what is this actually I do

848
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,980
because um because I I like the news a

849
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,360
lot and I like history a lot so like I

850
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,440
was always reading and stuff like that

851
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,779
but um I just never quite deeped over

852
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:35,580
that subject and I remember I saw the

853
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,940
David fraver interview on Tucker Carlson

854
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:40,620
and for me when I saw that interview

855
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,880
like on mainstream media being like

856
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:44,220
seriously dressed I was like what it uh

857
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:46,020
what I say is it reminded me of um the

858
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,460
beginning of arrival when everyone's

859
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:49,320
like stopped and stuff like that like

860
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,299
that's how I felt personally but like no

861
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,159
one in my real life did

862
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:54,960
um but yeah I do remember like very

863
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,400
vividly be like what the heck is this

864
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:59,279
and I watched uh think like an Elizondo

865
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,360
interview after that and I was like what

866
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:02,400
is this and then like

867
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:03,779
it's basically the non-stop since that

868
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:05,100
day of like everyday at least reading

869
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,299
about this a little bit or trying to

870
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:08,880
learn something new so what do you have

871
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,179
family thin friends think about it

872
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,200
um

873
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:15,179
supportive at first a lot of them didn't

874
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:16,440
understand and a lot of them don't

875
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,880
didn't like talking about it which makes

876
00:29:21,289 --> 00:29:19,919
sense because the stigma and it is an

877
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,299
uncomfortable topic for some people and

878
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,860
then yes as more and more stuff happens

879
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:24,000
like I'm getting more and more messages

880
00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:25,260
of like oh what do you think about this

881
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:26,340
what do you think about that it's like

882
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:28,440
okay that feels good like uh but yeah

883
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:30,059
for sure at the beginning too A lot of

884
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,279
people were like uh what do you do why

885
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,440
are you wasting all your time on this uh

886
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:36,899
but no I think we're good

887
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:39,000
yeah no no obviously around that time a

888
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:40,679
lot of this was to do with Tom Delong

889
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,799
ttsa and that in itself has been quite

890
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:45,960
controversial over the past few years so

891
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:48,179
what are your thoughts on what was first

892
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,240
sort of promised by ttsa with the you

893
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:53,279
know the technology that they were

894
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,539
trying to

895
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:56,460
promise that they would bring to the

896
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,140
subject and then how it all changed so

897
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,520
during the pandemic so what are your

898
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,500
thoughts on that whole company

899
00:30:05,289 --> 00:30:03,360
organization and do you think there's

900
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,299
anything nefarious to it

901
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,220
nefarious maybe perhaps right like it's

902
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,600
like um

903
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,340
the intelligence Community has been all

904
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,440
over this subject and even like

905
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:15,419
mingling with the UFO Community since

906
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,460
the beginning you know um

907
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,919
was it jail and heinek was tasks to go

908
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:21,360
out and ask a bunch of the different

909
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:24,840
early UFO groups to like

910
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,220
um that he told them like oh you'll get

911
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:28,260
secret data if you go along with our

912
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:31,080
narrative kind of thing so there is that

913
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,760
and when you look at ttsa in the lineup

914
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:35,039
and like the uh intelligence like there

915
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,659
it's like it's like I understand why

916
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:39,000
people say oh there's a red flag there

917
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:42,360
um and then there's the the the vehicle

918
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,940
part I thought was a little like yeah

919
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,520
that's very suspect like I don't know if

920
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:49,980
like oh maybe they do maybe it is

921
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:51,059
possible with what they're looking at

922
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,860
but I don't know about that but to the

923
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:54,539
whole like reducing stigma having

924
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,820
Congressional hearings getting this

925
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,760
subject like to a place where it can be

926
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:01,860
discussed like yeah I think they deserve

927
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:04,440
like all the credit for that and

928
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,880
um it's kind of easy when we're on this

929
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,500
end of it to be like what have they

930
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,880
really done which actually I don't even

931
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:10,260
think it's easy but there are a lot of

932
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,700
people who have that

933
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,500
um take but because like I spend all my

934
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:15,120
time like reading about history and like

935
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:16,799
reading about all these people who like

936
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:18,179
wish they could be living through or

937
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,940
living through or wish like the subject

938
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:21,960
could have gotten the attention it's

939
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,539
getting now and who just their whole

940
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:25,919
lives try to get that and it died

941
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,899
without ever seeing any of it it's like

942
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:29,820
they did do they accomplished like that

943
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:32,100
and that is no small fee in my uh in my

944
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,240
book

945
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,220
um so yeah like kudos to them for that

946
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,200
and like yeah all the the flight safety

947
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,240
stuff even if it's not a UFO UFO it's

948
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,640
like those are all um really important

949
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:44,340
and um they deserve well all the credit

950
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:46,260
for that for sure yeah absolutely I mean

951
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,700
for one thing I think about is if Tom

952
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:50,340
Delong was used whether it be by I know

953
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:53,580
the CIA or the government or anybody

954
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,140
all it's really done is thrust the

955
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,360
subject into the mainstream which is why

956
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:59,340
would they want that to happen it does a

957
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,840
lot of it doesn't make sense to me and

958
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,120
you know a lot of people saw there are

959
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:04,320
people out there that think it was just

960
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,659
a money grab but I mean the money that

961
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:08,340
we're talking is is just a drop in the

962
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,960
ocean in on the grand scheme of things

963
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,880
so again it doesn't it doesn't add up to

964
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:14,340
me so yeah no I appreciate your take on

965
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,659
that um

966
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:17,880
and again around this time we've got a

967
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:20,220
Donald Trump in office as well and

968
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,860
you've really done some digging on

969
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:24,960
Trump's connection to the UFO subject if

970
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:26,100
you wouldn't mind just sort of laying

971
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:27,659
out for us because I found that really

972
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:31,080
interesting yeah for sure so some of it

973
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,000
like him himself like right he was

974
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:35,340
President for a lot of the

975
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,340
initial rollout one of his um his chief

976
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,840
ite person

977
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,480
went from the White House to ttsa I

978
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:43,919
forget his name but he was like a bald

979
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:45,299
gentleman

980
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,440
um and that was never that wasn't really

981
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:48,960
reported on a lot even in the UFO land

982
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,539
um and then yeah his um uncle

983
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:54,179
uh John Trump it's like there's not like

984
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,799
any like confirmed confirmed connections

985
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,960
but when you look at him as a whole he

986
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,720
was part of the MIT rad lab during uh

987
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:02,760
like World War II he helped develop

988
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:06,179
American radar he was the um Scientific

989
00:33:09,889 --> 00:33:07,860
Advisor to a lot of the Air Force

990
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:09,899
generals including

991
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:12,960
it was a Carl spatz who is one of those

992
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,799
generals like we were talking about

993
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,299
earlier that they have kind of an

994
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,760
interesting like weird flying

995
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:19,679
um schedule mishap around the Roswell

996
00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:22,140
time and who was like yeah the one of

997
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:23,820
the top leaders of the Air Force at the

998
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,460
time so you would imagine um

999
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:28,200
oh and the other thing too is that he uh

1000
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:30,179
he went through Tesla's files for the

1001
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,559
government you know what I mean uh when

1002
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,899
Tesla died so yeah you'd imagine he was

1003
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:35,220
thought of as smart enough to be the

1004
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,019
person to analyze all of Tesla's work

1005
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:39,779
when Tesla died he invented or he he

1006
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:41,940
helped invent radar

1007
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,380
um and he was an advisor to all these

1008
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:45,240
generals like I think and he was like

1009
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,440
friends with

1010
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,720
um like Condon and Oppenheimer and Ben

1011
00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:51,360
Howard Bush so it's like uh his name is

1012
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:52,440
like right there with all the different

1013
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,380
names so I would assume but it's not 100

1014
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,899
sure but I'm pretty sure yeah I'm pretty

1015
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:59,460
sure his uncle is

1016
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:01,500
involved at least to some degree yeah

1017
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:02,940
you can certainly see the links there

1018
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:04,620
with the people the names that you named

1019
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:06,539
them and another thing that Trump is you

1020
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,799
know we there's that sort of famous

1021
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,480
video clip of him and his son talking

1022
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:11,159
about Roswell do you think Trump

1023
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:14,879
genuinely knew anything or do you think

1024
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,820
he was like just hype in it

1025
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:19,200
um see that's the thing where people was

1026
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,520
like oh Trump could never keep a secret

1027
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,260
like that but I don't I feel like he

1028
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:24,240
kind of didn't know and then oh there's

1029
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:25,379
another connection too where his

1030
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,760
connection with um

1031
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:28,320
and that this is also another one where

1032
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:29,879
it's like not confirm confirm but it is

1033
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,740
interesting some people say that there

1034
00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:33,720
was a the whole McCarthy hearings that

1035
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:34,859
there was a

1036
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:37,080
a UFO underpinning of that basically

1037
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:38,580
like there was a UFO underpinning of the

1038
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:40,080
Manhattan Project the atomic energy

1039
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:41,879
commission and the McCarthy hearings

1040
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:42,899
like

1041
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:47,700
example that's where Condon lost his

1042
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:49,139
clearance that's where Oppenheimer lost

1043
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:51,240
his clearance was in those you know

1044
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:55,020
um and Trump's Mentor was Roy Cohen who

1045
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,339
was the uh who was part of that whole

1046
00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,599
thing and they were investigating some

1047
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,220
of the the different Manhattan Project

1048
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:00,839
sites for that

1049
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:02,580
um where there were UFO sightings and

1050
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,440
it's not confirmed by any means but

1051
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,140
there is that and it's like uh

1052
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,720
the Nixon um with the what's that guy's

1053
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,280
name the Trump has some connections with

1054
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,859
Nixon too so it's like Trump's

1055
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,140
Trump and his uncle and like some of

1056
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,060
those Legacy connections I would think

1057
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:20,700
he kind of knows but I'm kind of get the

1058
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:21,960
feeling that maybe at the time of like

1059
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:24,780
2016 2017 the they weren't briefing him

1060
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,940
on everything you know yeah no

1061
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:28,800
absolutely I mean you can name so many

1062
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:30,540
different presidents that could be

1063
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,760
connected Jimmy Carter you know it was a

1064
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,320
big one that always comes up in the

1065
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:36,599
having his own sighting but

1066
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:38,940
it doesn't really point to whether he

1067
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,339
actually knew anything or not but I do

1068
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:42,960
find it interesting and you know there's

1069
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,760
been some great work done on UFOs and

1070
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,339
presidents over over the years but I

1071
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,720
feel like we're just at a point where we

1072
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,300
need more now it's it seems to have been

1073
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:53,880
he's getting a bit stale

1074
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,579
yeah maybe for sure but and it kind of

1075
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:57,720
seems like it's happening though like

1076
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,460
like yeah these past few weeks like just

1077
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,520
the coverage of it the the media

1078
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:04,500
um you know because I feel like media is

1079
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:05,940
fairly controlled like you know what I

1080
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,980
mean like the there's a million things

1081
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,599
that could go on uh the news every night

1082
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,760
and someone decides what and what

1083
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:13,260
doesn't you know and how it's framed

1084
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,720
like what words are used so there's been

1085
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:18,000
a lot of like UFO language lately you

1086
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,380
know so

1087
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:20,880
but yeah like you're saying like I don't

1088
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,020
think that like when was the last time

1089
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:24,300
there was this much like separate UFO

1090
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:25,859
coverage even if it ends up being

1091
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:28,500
prosaic on like ever like it's like 1952

1092
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,140
wave level of like coverage

1093
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,680
absolutely and you know we have had the

1094
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,960
the ramping up of language in the

1095
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,940
National Defense authorization acts I

1096
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:40,980
think for the past three years we've had

1097
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:44,700
these multiple UFO offices since atip so

1098
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,940
we've had the uaptf aoi MSG and arrow

1099
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,920
now but also on the other side we have

1100
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:52,440
had a lot of sort of Citizen initiatives

1101
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,940
cropping up what are your thoughts on

1102
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,119
that I mean do you think that that is a

1103
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:59,280
adds value to the subject you think that

1104
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,780
we're we're just as likely to get

1105
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,339
results from that that side of things

1106
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:05,040
yeah I think uh I think that stuff is

1107
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,020
like really good like like all the

1108
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,880
people making content I think helps to

1109
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:10,260
cause like all the people holding

1110
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,579
Twitter spaces or whatever helps the

1111
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,960
cause

1112
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,700
um things like the Bigfoot home you know

1113
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:16,619
like when everyone like uh

1114
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:19,260
collects their like um

1115
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,060
their political power or whatever and

1116
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:22,560
like starts calling their people or

1117
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,060
tweeting out their representatives I

1118
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,680
think all those things do help

1119
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:28,800
um so yeah I think I think they'll help

1120
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,640
I don't think yeah I don't think it's

1121
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,079
like the only thing you know like a lot

1122
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:32,640
of it is behind the scene stuff with

1123
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:35,640
melon and Elizondo but I think it's a

1124
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:36,900
it's a group effort it's a group

1125
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:38,520
Collective effort so

1126
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:39,960
yeah I think

1127
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:42,060
cool no I appreciate it so what's next

1128
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,380
for you man are you working on anything

1129
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:45,119
particular do you have a focus that you

1130
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:49,200
want to do for 2023 yeah so um I'm

1131
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:51,000
hoping to finish this one up it's taken

1132
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:52,859
me forever but it's about it's like a

1133
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,320
two and a half hour video wow um because

1134
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:56,760
it's it kind of closes out the whole

1135
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,640
like Blue Book era and like uh like that

1136
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,740
bad question of like science like how

1137
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:03,240
did the scientific Community low-key

1138
00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,920
drop the ball like this hard I think is

1139
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,900
a really important one for like even

1140
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:09,119
scientists to understand you know

1141
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,920
um

1142
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,480
uh it's like you guys aren't infallible

1143
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,820
uh like you know I mean

1144
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,260
um and then after that I think I'm gonna

1145
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,599
do uh a news recap one which I'll

1146
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:19,800
probably just kind of make like a good

1147
00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:20,760
like

1148
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:22,680
a recap of the past five years even

1149
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,119
including this balloon stuff you know

1150
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:25,920
what I mean yeah and then after that I'm

1151
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,420
kind of working on one that's talking

1152
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,700
about like um internet like the

1153
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,680
internet's impact on UFOs and like um

1154
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:33,119
some of the early hacking stuff that

1155
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:34,560
happened like Gary McKinnon is like a

1156
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,359
big famous one and then there's a few

1157
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,240
before that that I'm working with um uh

1158
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,820
uh um a friend from Reddit with so that

1159
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,160
should be cool and then after that

1160
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,900
I don't know I think I'm gonna go so I

1161
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,400
like to kind of have broken up into like

1162
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:48,960
different sections on my channel where

1163
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:52,680
it's like the blue book era stuff the

1164
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,260
um the in-between which is like you know

1165
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:58,320
uh post Blue Book pre-2017 like Stan

1166
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:59,579
Friedman or like the Edgar Mitchell one

1167
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,900
would count in there

1168
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,000
um and then like 2017 post and then I

1169
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,099
also have kind of like the psychic angle

1170
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,680
so I kind of like to go like one of each

1171
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:09,960
you know in the pattern

1172
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:11,400
um so

1173
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:13,859
yeah it should be hopefully uh

1174
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:15,960
hopefully like um hopefully by the end

1175
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,099
of the year I'll be able to quit my uh

1176
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,720
normal job and I'll be able to like do

1177
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:20,280
this full time and then then I'll be

1178
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:21,720
able to like push them out faster I

1179
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,859
think but um

1180
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,260
they just take so long like I can

1181
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:26,880
imagine man with the research the

1182
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,380
editing everything I mean yeah

1183
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,880
absolutely I'm sure you get this too

1184
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:31,200
it's like you don't just have to like

1185
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:32,220
learn about what you're making a video

1186
00:39:34,849 --> 00:39:33,300
about you also have to learn about like

1187
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,859
all these like 10 gentle things to make

1188
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,119
sure you're not saying something wrong

1189
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,579
like in a throwaway line yeah so it

1190
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:40,619
takes takes a long time that's the thing

1191
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,940
it is like you said it's the behind the

1192
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,619
scenes stuff that nobody sees you know

1193
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:45,900
they see the polished products but yeah

1194
00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:47,760
the work that goes into doing most

1195
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:51,320
things in this subject is uh it's crazy

1196
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,460
read your guest books and stuff like

1197
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:54,960
that or you know what I mean watch yeah

1198
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,300
thanks a lot yeah exactly which is great

1199
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,560
you know I love it I love it but it's

1200
00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:59,820
just there's not enough time in the day

1201
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:01,800
when you've got many other things that

1202
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,240
you're trying to do at the same time so

1203
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,820
I'm glad you appreciate that but listen

1204
00:40:08,510 --> 00:40:07,140
Before I Let You Go there's a couple of

1205
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,520
questions which I like to sort of

1206
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,260
generally ask people is

1207
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,780
out of all UFO cases do you have a

1208
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,359
favorite that stands Above the Rest

1209
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:17,760
so yeah I guess it's really cool artists

1210
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:19,260
when it's like favorite in a sense of

1211
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,000
like this is the best one I like to

1212
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,680
present people with because there's so

1213
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,480
many different aspects of it like I said

1214
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,400
it multiple months

1215
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:28,859
um health effects uh hundreds of

1216
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,119
witnesses

1217
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,760
hundreds of like newspaper coverage

1218
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,500
articles from the time what else is

1219
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:36,480
there there's um and then yeah part of

1220
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:37,619
that case was they sent out the

1221
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,260
Brazilian military and they were

1222
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:42,839
expecting to just uh come and like

1223
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,540
witness Mass hysteria and then uh like

1224
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,880
all the people on the military team saw

1225
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:49,440
stuff

1226
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,940
um and then you also with that case you

1227
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:52,680
have a cover-up which you have the Air

1228
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:53,880
Force at the time said it was

1229
00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:57,359
lighthouses off um Shore

1230
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,940
um and then what's also important is you

1231
00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:01,440
have

1232
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,980
um

1233
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,900
so basically like it was covered up in

1234
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:05,640
78 79

1235
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:07,140
um the official report or parts of it

1236
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:08,700
were leaked to like the UFO Community

1237
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:10,500
then so you kind of have this aspect of

1238
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:12,900
like documents being leaked are they

1239
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:14,760
real are they not and then you started

1240
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:16,320
to have some of the military Witnesses

1241
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:17,400
like um

1242
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,500
the commander and stuff like that uh

1243
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,660
they gave their testimonies in in

1244
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:23,700
between and then what it finally closes

1245
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,700
out with is like in 2004 uh AJ give out

1246
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,380
who passed away

1247
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,480
um unfortunately this year rest in peace

1248
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:33,599
he like helped lead this um

1249
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,540
political action movement I guess uh to

1250
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:38,460
get a lot of that stuff Declassified so

1251
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,480
if you have like an official

1252
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,579
acknowledgment of a cover-up from the

1253
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,960
Brazilian government and then you also

1254
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,520
also have these documents like

1255
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:46,260
officially released from the Brazilian

1256
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:47,040
government so it kind of has everything

1257
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:48,180
and it's not in America because you

1258
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:49,260
always hear people say like why is it

1259
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,180
always in America so yeah that's my

1260
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:53,040
go-to for whenever someone like wants a

1261
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,660
good like case

1262
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,460
yeah absolutely and I think that you did

1263
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,839
a three-parter on that one and I

1264
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,520
recommend everybody go and check it out

1265
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,920
as well as all of Red's vids

1266
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,960
um what do you think if you had to

1267
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,940
speculate that if we are genuinely being

1268
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,160
visited or there is a non-human

1269
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:09,599
intelligence here

1270
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,560
out of all the potential Origins

1271
00:42:17,569 --> 00:42:14,940
extraterrestrial interdimensional that

1272
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:17,579
what sits at the top of your your list

1273
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,940
at the moment if you had to say

1274
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:23,160
um I do think it's like a mix but I do

1275
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,859
kind of like the interdimensional stuff

1276
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,300
although I think yeah I think it's all

1277
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:29,099
kind of there I like the chains of the

1278
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,900
sea uh the Lou reference where it's like

1279
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,000
yeah it's like interdimensional Loki

1280
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,800
ai's already been sentient on this

1281
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:36,240
planet for a while we didn't even

1282
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:38,339
realize and there's also like

1283
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,660
extraterrestrial

1284
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:41,520
um some of the orb stuff feels more

1285
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:43,020
interdimensional and then maybe like

1286
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:44,940
some of the like

1287
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,980
some some cases do kind of maybe seem

1288
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:48,240
extraterrestrial but then also at the

1289
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,260
same time I do think there is a

1290
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,300
deceptive aspect of the phenomenon so

1291
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,520
it's like who even really knows it's the

1292
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,800
that Jacque Valley book cover where it's

1293
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,300
like the alien holding the different

1294
00:43:01,250 --> 00:43:00,000
hands mask yeah yeah and then even that

1295
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,260
was like its own separate hand with

1296
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:03,780
something off book you know so

1297
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:09,650
um again yeah interdimensional maybe

1298
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,819
something that's been here all along you

1299
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,200
know that kind of it sits above

1300
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,000
extraterrestrial for me at this stage

1301
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:17,339
but again it flips and changes all the

1302
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:19,319
time and it's so difficult to sort of be

1303
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:20,700
able to say well I think it's this

1304
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,220
because there's really very little to

1305
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,800
kind of show for that that reasoning so

1306
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:28,440
uh listen one last question so I've seen

1307
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,940
it in the comments a few times now and

1308
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,920
I'll get get butchered if I don't ask is

1309
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,800
where does the name red panda koala come

1310
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,780
from

1311
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,119
um I just like I like red pandas a lot

1312
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,359
the animal it looks like a little red uh

1313
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,400
raccoon kind of thing but um and then

1314
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:46,079
yeah quality and I I didn't really want

1315
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:47,700
to put a UFO name at first because like

1316
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:48,780
especially in the beginning when I was

1317
00:43:52,190 --> 00:43:50,099
like learning how to edit and just kind

1318
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,200
of like making uh like getting a sense

1319
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,520
of like what is even going on here you

1320
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:54,960
know what I mean yeah and I didn't want

1321
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:56,280
like um

1322
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:57,720
I don't know I just felt like that would

1323
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,339
have brought in on like a lot of eyes

1324
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,980
like right off the beginning you know

1325
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:03,960
um so I like that and I like I like the

1326
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,359
way like rpk sounds like when it's just

1327
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,119
the the first letter and stuff uh I like

1328
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:11,099
it yeah it's brilliant it's great and

1329
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,880
it's so memorable now

1330
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,319
that's it you can't lose it now man

1331
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,420
you're stuck with it so no listen thank

1332
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,980
you so much for joining me today I

1333
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:21,720
really do appreciate it thanks for any

1334
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:23,579
I'll catch you around um hopefully are

1335
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,900
you coming to the states soon or

1336
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,920
something like that I am going to be in

1337
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:28,319
Roswell in June yeah oh for that Roswell

1338
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:29,460
oh yeah okay I think I'm gonna try and

1339
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:30,660
make it to that so maybe I'll catch you

1340
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,980
there then dude that'd be so cool man

1341
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,599
but yeah thanks again and thank you to

1342
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,400
everyone in the chat as well I really

1343
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:37,200
appreciate it look out for a video from

1344
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,579
me in the next couple of days with Chris

1345
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,800
letto where we will be covering the last

1346
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,660
couple of weeks incidents in in more

1347
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:45,359
depth and then next Wednesday the 22nd

1348
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,920
of February I'm going to be live with

1349
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:49,200
Dan zestrom my good buddy who is

1350
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,200
currently in Mexico visiting lots of the

1351
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,000
archaeological sites so we're going to

1352
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:56,280
be discussing that and more so guys

1353
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,440
thank you so much enjoy the rest of your